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Scouting Leadership (Serious Side of Scouting)
Some Insights On Professional Scouting
This is a discussion brought up in an archived Scouting
Discussion Thread. All views expressed do not necessarily represent
the troop's position and stand.
Date: Wed, 2 Nov 1994 22:55:33 -0600
From: "Settummanque, the blackeagle" <waltoml@WKUVX1.WKU.EDU>
Subject: Re: Professional Scouting
To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L <SCOUTS-L%TCUBVM.BitNet@pucc.PRINCETON.EDU>
Brian Johnson <ai671@FREENET.BUFFALO.EDU> writes:
>Right now, I am a sophomore in High School (almost 16 years
old) and I am
>pretty sure I would like to go into professional scouting. Are
there any
>recommendations or suggestions from any of you pertaining to
this topic?
>Or, are there any professional Scouters out there that would
like to talk
>about this... That would be great. Also, does anyone know of any
Scout
>Scholarships besides the E. Urner Goodman, which I am already
applying for?
Read my book, "Patches and Pins" (whenever it gets
published!).
When I was 14, there were only three things on my mind: Belinda,
the daughter of one of the Post's senior Chaplains;4 becoming an
Army officer somehow; and becoming a District Executive. Not
necessarily in that order, either.
When I told Doyle Fuller, our new DE, that I wanted to "do
his job someday", he sat with me over McFood and started in on
the "realities of the job". He was the first person to
tell me that "Career Scouters" (euphemism for
"professional Scouter") weren't too much in demand...or
appreciated for that matter. They work long hours, get yelled at a
lot by both volunteers and their professional bosses, and get paid
less than the average teacher does. "But you're having fun,
right?" is what I asked him.
I asked him twice. He never did answer me, but kept right on
talking down the role and the job. He talked about how some months
you don't get your travel allowance payments, about the fact that
you're "required to give to United Ways AND to SME" or
face the contempt of the others in "the office". I sat
there, drinking coffee and eating French fries as he told me that
professionals don't get to see their families very often, unless
their wives were Cub Scouting leaders too.
He told me about how unpleasant it was to go and "beg for
money" (his statement, not mine) and how he had to go and
present badges to kids that "don't deserve to be in Scouts, let
alone be high-ranking Scouts".
I guessed that Doyle wasn't happy about being a DE, but what he
did was to HONESTLY tell me what *he* does and how effective he
feels that he is...which is the first piece of advice to you. Find a
DE that won't just "sugar-coat" the role of the District
professional to you. This person should be able to express BOTH the
great feelings and satisfaction you get when signing the charter for
a new unit AND the gut-wrenching, Maalox-treatable stomach knots you
get when you lose seven units before "report card time"
(June and December in most local Councils) with no time to organize
new ones to take their places.
Such a man to do that was Doyle Fuller, whom now works for the
Elizabethtown-headquartered News-Enterprise Companies. The
_News-Enterprise_ is the newspaper in Hardin County...they also
publish the Fort Knox Communities newspaper _Inside_the_Turret_ as
well as two smaller papers in Sonora and Vine Grove, Kentucky.
Doyle (only "Mr. Fuller" around my parents and when
introducing him to people that didn't know him) taught me how to
organize a unit. The RIGHT way, not the way that I would have
thought to do it. He also allowed me to go with him while he pitched
for money, while he pitched for Scouts and for adults. Many of the
techniques I later used in eastern Kentucky and northern Tennessee I
learned from Doyle. I was "used" as an example of what
Scouting is all about, and I didn't mind. And when I became a Junior
ROTC student at the high school, many more people knew me as
"Doyle Fuller's assistant" at the young age of 15.
Doyle left the profession shortly after I broke up with Belinda
("I can't compete with the entire Boy Scouts", she told
me...she wanted to date someone else.) and two weeks before my
father's father (not my grandfather...) passed on. When I returned
to Rose Terrace, I got a phone call from Doyle expressing sympathy
and introducing Mr. Scott Claybaugh, his replacement. "I can't
continue. My points are low, I'm losing more hair every day, and I'm
unable to see Missy (his wife, a nurse at Hardin Memorial) and the
kids. Scott will work hard and he's more ambitious to serve than
me".
(Personal note: Doyle Fuller officially has MORE hair now than he
did when he was a DE in the Lincoln Trail District. It IS a very
stressful job, being a District Executive.)
Scott Claybaugh *was* more ambitious...he's NOW a successful
Council Scout Executive in Ohio and moving upward and onward onto
the years. Scott showed me a lot and worked with me and others
interested in the profession, and I owe a lot to him (and to Hal
Cory, the old Scout Executive of the Old Kentucky Home Council). But
my introduction to professional Scouting started with Doyle Wayne
Fuller.
Some more positive advice:
- get with a District Executive and if he or she will allow it,
"shadow" them for about two or three months. This
means that your social life, as mine, has to be placed on
"hold". You can't really know what the job entails
unless you are unconvinced as much as possible like they are.
- ask the District Executive to let you attend staff meetings
periodically with him or her. The staff meetings allow you to
meet OTHER professionals (we all get "tunnel vision"
and relate only to OUR "man" or "woman"...we
forget that in a typical local Council, there are at least three
or five people out there in the "field" all of the
time. We also forget sometimes about the "middle
managers", the Field, Exploring and Program Directors that
do important jobs at the "office" and still have to
meet field "missions" too.
- ask the DE to let you read "ProSpeak", the
newsletter for the professionals in the BSA. ProSpeak has a lot
of information that many times the career staff gets before us
volunteers do; much of it is technical and (as it did with
Doyle, Scott and others), serve as "stepping off
points" for questions dealing with "Beating last
year" and "Making every unit count".
- go out and observe how OTHER professionals interact with
volunteers. Even the ones that really irritate volunteer you can
learn from.
- go to college and earn your degree. The profession of Scouting
will NOT let you in unless you have earned a bachelor's degree
in a subject area supportive of the Scouting program. What's a
good degree? Any degree that *you* will fill comfortable with
AFTER you leave the profession (something that you have to think
about!) will be good enough for the BSA. Many of it's
professionals have business-related degrees; some have
liberal-arts degrees; many have religious-education degrees. A
LARGE number of professionals have advanced degrees, mostly
Master's degrees.
- while in college, enter into the BSA's Professional Preview
program. It is UNPAID in most places, but the experiences are
great (and can be used as co-op periods if you do it right!).
Again, the roles you will pay are NOT "paper pushing"
and will expose you to many areas of the Council's operation.
- stay out of trouble. The BSA does a great job of doing drug
screening and background investigations on its potential
professionals. Some local Councils do a better job than others.
If you have a good driving record and a clean criminal record,
you will be accepted quicker. (and once you get into the
profession, try not to "p.o." anyone too much...once
you're released from the profession, it takes a long time to
come back...if you can!)
- finally, look, listen and learn. The profession of Scouting is
not much different from the clergy or missionary work. You
really have to have a love for the program AND the
participants!! There will be clearly those that will not like
you solely because you are getting paid for what they do for
free. There are others that feel that you earn much more than
the $18,200 national average salary and will resent you for it.
You will get lots of offers to leave the profession for
"higher paid jobs" which equate to using your
"power and influence" to getting them more money. On
the other hand, you will experience firsthand what Scouting and
Exploring is really about by your interaction with many great
Scouters and Scouts. You will learn new songs to sing, new
dishes to prepare, and new places to go and camp at. You will
see how individual units improvise and carry out the program
within the guidelines. You will swell up and cry when you see
that the units that YOU HELPED ORGANIZE celebrate their first
First Class Scout, or their first sets of Bobcats, or their
first Arrow of Light or Eagle recipient. You will do those silly
things that DEs do as part of "psyching up" the
volunteers at the start of the program year.
And you WILL live the Scout Oath and Law as best as you can.
That's not a requirement, it's a given. Kids will look at you and
some of them will say what YOU said (at least, what I'd said to
Doyle Fuller): they will want to "do your job someday".
That's a GOOD thing to do, believe me.
And when someone asks you "You're having fun, right?",
you can look them squarely in the eyes, smile at them and respond
"Every single day."
Settummanque!
[extracted from the preface:
Mike Walton served as a Paraprofessional Executive and later as a
Neighborhood Professional within the old Area Two of the old
Southeast Region from June 1977 through May of 1981, under a grant
given to the BSA by the-then CETA (Comprehensive Education and
Training Act).
Walton worked in rural areas of five local Councils in Kentucky,
Tennessee and West Virginia; and in the urban area of two others in
Kentucky. During that same period, Walton was also a member of the
Regional Exploring Committee and provided guidance to Explorer
Presidents' Associations and Exploring divisions within the old
Southeast and East Central Regions.]
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Settummanque, the blackeagle... (MAJ) Mike L.
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Date: Thu, 3 Nov 1994 22:06:22 -0600
From: Kathy Chormicle <kchormi@EIS.CALSTATE.EDU>
Subject: Re: Professional Scouting
To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L <SCOUTS-L%TCUBVM.BITNET@pucc.Princeton.EDU>
What a great article! My wife (I use her logon) Kathy is a Senior
D.E./ Multi Person in the Ventura California Council. Everything
that the article says is true. Tonight is a good example. Kathy is
at a meeting, and I'm home with a sick baby. She is out about 4-5
nights a weeks, and every other weekend. The only way for me to see
her was to become the Dist. Advmnt. Chair! Yes, much of her job is
"begging" for $$, and she hates that part. In this council
they do telemarketing for funds; try getting hung up on 50 times a
night, not fun. The Scout Executive here says if you're not working
70 hours a week, you're not doing your job. You should probably plan
on your Scouting professional career to be in the area of about 3-5
years. If it last longer, great, but if not, you're in the majority.
Regards,
Wes Chormicle
as my name tag says, "District Executive Spouse"
Date: Tue, 31 Oct 1995 02:12:09 -0600
From: "Mike Walton (Settummanque, the blackeagle)"
Subject: Re: ????
To: Multiple recipients of list SCOUTS-L
At 01:40 PM 10/30/95 EST, you wrote:
>Hi, all over there |
> [ ... ]
>Second: What do you need to be a Professional Scouter ?
A lot of patience, a willingness to serve without worrying about
being compensated for it, a presence of strength and willingness to
"do your best", and most of all, the ability to work with
a diverse number of Scouting and community members, from all walks
of life, with all levels of income and backgrounds, and to do so
basically anytime day or night, every day, every year.
To become a professional (career) member of the Boy Scouts of
America, you must be at least 21 years of age, of sound physical and
moral ability, with a bachelor's degree or higher in any discipline
(but those in the social sciences, business, or physical education
or recreation tend to provide the best collegiate background), and
be willing to subscribe to the Scout Oath and Law and the Scout
Executive Code. You DO NOT need to be a former member of the BSA,
nor do you HAVE to be an Eagle Scout (although either and especially
both are looked upon highly as desirable traits). Many of the career
Scouters in our local Councils come to us from ministries, from the
business sector and from fish and wildlife organizations. There's
been a decline in the number of Eagle Scouts and former
Scouts/Explorers entering the profession in the past seven years or
so. This is being changed, as a new emphasis is being made to have
Council Scout Executives to identify early those outstanding Scouts
and Explorers whom would be interested in pursuing a career of
service with the BSA.
> [... ]
....in the "Roundtable Meeting that NEVER ends!"
Settummanque!
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